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	<title>Comments on: Low Diagnostic Yield of Elective Coronary Angiography</title>
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		<title>By: Jacobo Kirsch, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacobo Kirsch, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just published:

The impact of cardiac CT on the appropriate utilization of catheter coronary angiography.
Wagdi P, Alkadhi H.
Int J Cardiovasc Imaging. 2010 Mar;26(3):333-44.
PMID: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19936961&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;19936961&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just published:</p>
<p>The impact of cardiac CT on the appropriate utilization of catheter coronary angiography.<br />
Wagdi P, Alkadhi H.<br />
Int J Cardiovasc Imaging. 2010 Mar;26(3):333-44.<br />
PMID: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19936961" rel="nofollow">19936961</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sven Paulin MD</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven Paulin MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45 years ago I published the first prospective correlative study to explore the relationship between clinical presentation of suspected ischemic heart disease and evidence of arterial obstruction on coronary arteriography. A positive relation was present but was by no means absolute. In this well controlled material of 192 patients, performed before the days of CABG and angioplasty some of the most interesting findings were that 8% with typical effort angina had completely normal vessels. On the other end of the spectrum 50% of those who had at least one complete arterial occlusion no evidence of previous infarction or acute myocardial ischemia could be demonstrated. The here quoted study by Patel “Low Diagnostic Yield of Elective Coronary Angiography” has come to similar results using an almost 400,000 patient material and should not surprise anybody. Although I sympathize greatly with the study’s main purpose to reduce excessive use of invasive angiography (please do not call it cardiac catheterization which is something completely different) I must bring forward critique. The use of an arbitrarily chosen border between negative and positive result merely based % calibre reduction, appears absurd, particularly in light of the known shortcomings of measurement on angiographic images. Furthermore in this huge material the subjectively made assessment was made by an undisclosed large number of anonymous observers of most likely varying degree of expertise. The term “elective” as used here for the paper’s title must also be questioned. When the authors point out that not less than 30% of the patients had no evidence of chest pain, including typical angina or other non invasive findings that suggested ischemic heart disease, one may surmise other motives than merely medical. Then why don’t we call” a spade a spade” and speak of medical malpractice in these cases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45 years ago I published the first prospective correlative study to explore the relationship between clinical presentation of suspected ischemic heart disease and evidence of arterial obstruction on coronary arteriography. A positive relation was present but was by no means absolute. In this well controlled material of 192 patients, performed before the days of CABG and angioplasty some of the most interesting findings were that 8% with typical effort angina had completely normal vessels. On the other end of the spectrum 50% of those who had at least one complete arterial occlusion no evidence of previous infarction or acute myocardial ischemia could be demonstrated. The here quoted study by Patel “Low Diagnostic Yield of Elective Coronary Angiography” has come to similar results using an almost 400,000 patient material and should not surprise anybody. Although I sympathize greatly with the study’s main purpose to reduce excessive use of invasive angiography (please do not call it cardiac catheterization which is something completely different) I must bring forward critique. The use of an arbitrarily chosen border between negative and positive result merely based % calibre reduction, appears absurd, particularly in light of the known shortcomings of measurement on angiographic images. Furthermore in this huge material the subjectively made assessment was made by an undisclosed large number of anonymous observers of most likely varying degree of expertise. The term “elective” as used here for the paper’s title must also be questioned. When the authors point out that not less than 30% of the patients had no evidence of chest pain, including typical angina or other non invasive findings that suggested ischemic heart disease, one may surmise other motives than merely medical. Then why don’t we call” a spade a spade” and speak of medical malpractice in these cases?</p>
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		<title>By: marcos.ibarra</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1299</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos.ibarra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a lot of patients whitout CAD. The question is, how do they use the tools for stratification and what mean  positive test. Another issue its clinical data and primary diagnosis in this group. So I think the indication for cat lab its so light...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a lot of patients whitout CAD. The question is, how do they use the tools for stratification and what mean  positive test. Another issue its clinical data and primary diagnosis in this group. So I think the indication for cat lab its so light&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacobo Kirsch, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacobo Kirsch, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catheter angiography IS the gold-standard for coronary assessment. I agree with the comments above, however, I believe that risk-stratification may not be the issue here, rather how the established guidelines are followed.

With over 80% of low-risk patients going directly to cath, and over 80% of high-risk patients being initially worked up with a non-invasive test, a disconnect with the guidelines is obvious.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catheter angiography IS the gold-standard for coronary assessment. I agree with the comments above, however, I believe that risk-stratification may not be the issue here, rather how the established guidelines are followed.</p>
<p>With over 80% of low-risk patients going directly to cath, and over 80% of high-risk patients being initially worked up with a non-invasive test, a disconnect with the guidelines is obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schoenhagen, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Schoenhagen, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also read:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theheart.org/article/1054105.do&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Noninvasive testing adds little to risk-factor screening for predicting obstructive CAD&lt;/a&gt;
Reed Miller
HeartWire; March 10, 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also read:<br />
<a href="http://www.theheart.org/article/1054105.do" rel="nofollow">Noninvasive testing adds little to risk-factor screening for predicting obstructive CAD</a><br />
Reed Miller<br />
HeartWire; March 10, 2010</p>
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		<title>By: Eric M. Dandes</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric M. Dandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100% with Dr. Rubinshtein! To cardiologist cardiac catheterization is the Gold Standard in diagnostics for coronaries (and to some degree they&#039;re right). However, with the advent and continual advancement of the noninvasive CTA; there is a new tool in the cardiologists’ diagnostic kit that can be used for risk stratification.  

Just because a patient has a high Framingham risk score with a family history of CAD, or an equivocal stress test doesn’t mean they NEED a cath. And if they do after the fact, the CTA can be used as a guide map, and decrease the chance of an adverse event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100% with Dr. Rubinshtein! To cardiologist cardiac catheterization is the Gold Standard in diagnostics for coronaries (and to some degree they&#8217;re right). However, with the advent and continual advancement of the noninvasive CTA; there is a new tool in the cardiologists’ diagnostic kit that can be used for risk stratification.  </p>
<p>Just because a patient has a high Framingham risk score with a family history of CAD, or an equivocal stress test doesn’t mean they NEED a cath. And if they do after the fact, the CTA can be used as a guide map, and decrease the chance of an adverse event.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronen Rubinshtein, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.thepreparedminds.com/archives/1349/comment-page-1#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronen Rubinshtein, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does a 37.6% obstructive CAD rate among patients referred for elective coronary angiogram tell us? Probably that we have a lot of &quot;false positive&quot; results during risk assessment (clinical + non-invasive). It does not say much about our &quot;false negative&quot; studies, but represent a low yield of our current risk assessment tools.

We need better and more personalized risk assessment tools, and perhaps coronary CT angiography will have a more important role in risk assessment. Especially in symptomatic patients. Thus reducing our &quot;normal coronary arteries&quot; (or near normal) rate by invasive angiograms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does a 37.6% obstructive CAD rate among patients referred for elective coronary angiogram tell us? Probably that we have a lot of &#8220;false positive&#8221; results during risk assessment (clinical + non-invasive). It does not say much about our &#8220;false negative&#8221; studies, but represent a low yield of our current risk assessment tools.</p>
<p>We need better and more personalized risk assessment tools, and perhaps coronary CT angiography will have a more important role in risk assessment. Especially in symptomatic patients. Thus reducing our &#8220;normal coronary arteries&#8221; (or near normal) rate by invasive angiograms.</p>
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